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Tencent Stops QQ Service For Any Computer With 360 Installed – digg china

360 PK QQ

From NetEase:

Tencent forces users to choose between the two: Those who have 360 installed can’t use QQ

November 3rd night news, regarding the dispute between 360 and QQ, Tencent issued a public announcement today, stating that until the dispute between the two sides is resilved, Tencent will not allow its QQ [instant messaging program] to run on any computer with 360 installed on it. Industry insiders believe that Tencent is forcing users to choose between the two with this move.

Beginning from the end of September, a dispute broke out between China’s two largest client software companies Tencent and 360 that continues to this day, with the trigger having been 360′s privacy protection software claiming that QQ is suspected of scanning the private documents of netizen’s computers, which Tencent flatly denied; The most recent clash between the two sides has been 360 releasing a way to get rid of QQ advertisements, turn off QQ Xiu, and QQ members’ “Koukou Bodyguard”, with Tencent then suing 360 on grounds of unfair competition.

Comments from NetEase:


After using TX [Tencent] for so many years, this time, you [腾讯, teng xun, Tencent] have really disappointed brother [referring to self]. Laughingly awaiting the Heavenly Kingdom‘s final decision/judgment.


Tencent’s hooligan face [behavior] is truly disgusting.
You have a fight with 360, but what right do you have to force it upon the users? What right do you have to make decisions for users?


Ever since I installed 360, my computer has been perfectly fine…I support 360. Tencent, you want try forcing people into a corner, you can go to hell.


It has finally escalated. As someone who uses both company’s software, the pressure is really huge…
You dare to threaten brother [referring to self], brother will just go to MSN.


Tencent’s brother is Li Gang.


Tencent is truly TMD low.


TX is really disappointing~~ So many people supporting you, and yet this is how you repay them?


I have already go 315 [China's Consumer Protection Bureau] to lodge a complaint against Tencent, for stopping service without user’s permission! Members, red, yellow, blue, diamond, etc. [membership levels] have all paid money! On one side, Tencent makes itself sound like it is the embodiment of justice, but on the other side it does illegal things… In this river crab society, [Tencent CEO] Ma Huateng’s father is Li Gang! Go to hell!!


TX, how do you know I am using 360??????? You just proved that you are scanning my computer. At first, I didn’t believe what 360 said about you invading users’ privacy. Now I believe them. Talk about lifting up a rock to smash your own foot! Idiots!

Tencent's letter to QQ users on why they are stopping service to computers with 360 installed on them.

From Tianya:

360 versus Tencent, who will you guys end up choosing?

Below is the full text to Tencent’s “letter to the vast number of QQ users”:

Dear QQ User:

When you see this letter, we have just made an exceptionally difficult decision. Until 360 stops its infringements and malicious defamation against QQ, we have decided to stop the operation of QQ software on computers installed with 360 software. We know deeply this will cause an definite inconvenience for you, and we sincerely apologize to you. At the same time, we have written below the reasons for this decision, and hope we can have your understanding and support.

1. To protect your QQ account’s security

Recently, 360 has forcefully promoted and even coerced users to install the illegal hack “Koukou Bodyguard”. This software hijacked QQ’s security module, causing QQ to lose related functions. In a 360 software operating environment, We are unable to guarantee your QQ account’s security.

2. Saying “no” to immoral behavior

360 time and time again has manufactured “QQ infringes upon users’ privacy” hearsay/rumors, engaging in malicious slander of QQ’s security features. The truth is that QQ’s security module absolutely does not engage in scanning or monitoring users’ private data, much less uploading/transmitting users’ data. At present, we have already provided our QQ security module’s code to a third party for review, to prove our innocence.

Worse, as an internet security company, 360 actually has released hacking software, openly standing on the opposite side of “security”, engaging in the hijacking and control of other companies’ software. This is all immoral behavior.

3. Resisting illegal behavior

Any business behavior, no matter for what purpose, must all be carried out within the framework of the country’s legal regulations. However, 360 actually uses something illegal like a “hack” to undermine Tencent’s normal service.

360 has already hijacked and undermined QQ on the desktops of users’ computers. We could have chosen to use technological methods to fight them, but after repeated consideration, we ultimately decided that we cannot let your computer desktop become a “battleground”, and have instead given you the right to choose your software.

Over the past 12 years, QQ has been fortunate to have grown with you; As for the future, we look forward to continuing to be part of your life!

Tencent Co.

2010 November 3

A poll on Tianya:

Tianya poll as of 2010 October 4 ~2:10am

Question: You can’t use QQ because your computer has 360 installed, you will:

1. Uninstall QQ.
2. Uninstall 360.
3. Observe, actually, brother [referring to self] doesn’t use either of them.

A poll on Mop:

Mop poll as of 2010 October 4 ~2:20am.

Question: QQ attacks, says computers installed with 360 cannot run QQ software! Who do you support?

1. Support QQ, after so many years, there is a bond.
2. Support 360, TX’s copying is too shameless.
3. Observe, none of my fucking business, old me uses MSN.

A poll from NetEase:

NetEase poll 2010 October 4 ~2:40am

Question: Tencent forces users to choose between the two, who will you uninstall?


From NetEase:

Tencent has announced its conditions for reconciliation/settlement: 360 must uninstall/remove Privacy Protector

Below is the full text of Tencent’s statement:

We call for 460 to make a clean break with its past, and commit to giving users an environment to use QQ and other legal software safely/securely and without interference.

To obtain comprehensive security for QQ users, Tencent requires 360 to do the following three things before Tencent will stop its self-protective measures:

1. 360 must uninstall on all of its software clients Koukou Bodyguard and the malicious Tencent-slandering Privacy Protector;

2. 360 must immediately stop intercepting/interfering with Tencent and other legal software programs/processes, and publicly commit to no longer interfering with Tencent programs, publicly commit to no longer release any software that attacks Tencent products, and publicly commit to no longer misappropriate any QQ user’s information;

3. 360 publicly apologizes to Tencent, and compensates for its losses.

Comments from Mop:


Bastard Tencent!
Will 360 be able to endure this?


Motherfuckers! QQ go to hell! The shanzhai king~! [referring to Tencent often copying others' programs/innovations]


Can’t have your cake and eat it too. The government isn’t doing anything [about this] either.


Shameless QQ.
If 360 releases a communication tool like QQ…I’m willing to throw away QQ
and side with 360. emoticon


NND, have you guys had enough? If 360 releases chat software, no one needs Tencent anymore, fuck, disgusting.


Absurd, a software company is now able to hoodwink the public. I won’t talk about the ordinary free user, but I’m thinking: How is Tencent treating the rights and interests of those users who have paid?


Switch to MSN, ding [support] 360 to the end…


Two rabid dogs biting each other are finally opening their mouths towards their master…


Who do you support? 360 or Tencent?

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Speeding, Unlicensed, Drunk Foreigner Hits & Kills Yiwu Girl – digg china

Young Chinese girl victim of hit and run by foreigner in Yiwu, China.

From Mop (1 & 2):

Only asking for justice! Foreigner who hits and kills an Yiwu girl [only gets] 15 days of administrative detention!

October 17th 9pm, on a section of Chouzhou Road, a 23-year old Yiwu girl crossing the crosswalk was hit by a small car that was excessively speeding and thrown over 20 meters. The driver of that small car fled the scene without stopping, but fortunately there were kind-hearted people who noted the car’s license plate number and called the police. The driver involved is a laowai, driving without a license and while intoxicated. He abandoned the car at Qingkou. The small car involved was a local Yiwu car. After paramedics sent the girl that was hit to Chouzhou hospital, her condition was declared critical with severe brain injury, a ruptured liver, losing 4500cc of blood during surgery that night, dilated pupils, crushed limbs, and five hours of surgery. At this point, she is still not out of danger.

Girl in Yiwu, China hit while crossing the street by a foreigner without a driver's license.

Tell me, is this driver still human? He too has family, so why was he so inhuman? Also, why did this Yiwu car owner lend this car knowing that the laowai doesn’t have a driver’s license? The worst thing is that this driver, after abandoning the car, returned to his hotel as if nothing happened, and the international hotel he was staying at was not 50 meters away from the scene of the accident.

A police report of the traffic accident that resulted in the death of a young girl by a drunk foreigner.

This girl’s family is a poor family that depends on the state, her father having passed away three years ago due to liver cirrhosis when she was in her third year of high school about to take the gaokao [China's college entrance examination]. Her mother has barely recovered and now she has to suffer this news, how is she supposed to endure it? An this young pretty girl, just out of college, just entering the workforce, her beautiful life just beginning, and she is hit by a driver with a 2.13mg/ml blood alcohol content and no valid driver’s license. Speeding, fleeing from the scene. Hitting someone at the crosswalk, and just a trivial 15 days administrative detention? It has been 5 days now, the victim is still lying in the Chouzhou Hospital Intensive Care Unit and has not yet regained consciousness. Whether she will live or die is still unknown. Meanwhile, this 浙GR616F [license plate number] car owner has yet to visit the hospital nor has he expressed an apology to the victim. Where is the justice!!! On the 24th, the hospital said they couldn’t do anything further and the poor child passed away…

Photograph of the Chinese girl who was hit and killed by a drunk driver in Yiwu, China.

Why did this inhuman laowai for no reason at all strip someone of their right to life? Where is the justice? Where is the fairness? The family members don’t want anything but for the perpetrator to be punished severely! They only ask that the traffic police department fairly handle [this matter]! Because the victim’s family does not have economic means, and also does not have any influential relatives like Li Gang. I am thankful that there are so many kind-hearted people in support of this. Everyone spread this around, so that more people can know of this incident!

I only hope that heaven has people, that there are not drunks there, no speeding cars, and only peace!

Comments from Mop (1 & 2):


LZ is very silly. If you had hit a person, you too would be arrested and administratively detained first, and then what should be done will be done. Laowai cannot escape Chinese legal punishment. Please do not unreasonably incite. Thanks.


Our country’s criminal law does not put foreigners outside of our country’s criminal law. As long as the foreigner does something that matches a crime in our country’s criminal law, then the foreigner cannot escape the criminal law’s punishments.


You don’t understand the Heavenly Kingdom‘s special characteristics?
These people who always post news similar to this are the most annoying.
Even if you post it, what can it change?
Will the Heavenly Kingdom’s government actually do anything?


Foreigners who commit a crime within our country’s borders ought to be subject to our country’s law and punishments, unless he enjoys diplomatic immunity; but looking at his situation, it doesn’t look like he is someone who enjoys this kind of special right. It will be difficult to escape the crime of fleeing the scene. God will not forgive him, foreigners fear this line the most!


This lousy country, if it doesn’t even value its own ordinary people, how can it ask foreigners to respect it?


That foreign devil, his dad is Bush.


People are supposed to be equal before the law, but in China, you have to see who it is first.


Strongly condemn. Enlist the power of the internet, request the go-vern-ment to severely punish the perpetrator.


Brother [referring to self] has recently become numb to these things, my heart will no longer become as angry and indignant as it once did! This is simply the policy of our great, harmonious Heavenly Kingdom! Poor people are always one level lower! Our citizens are always one level lower than foreigners!


Rabble, don’t be fenqing anymore…in the Heavenly Kingdom, the rich are emperors and foreigners are distinguished guests of honor, so you rabble (including myself) are without exception just slaves.


Do you believe this foreigner will receive the same punishment that a Chinese person would receive?

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Fuzhou Woman Viciously Beats Man After Minor Accident – digg china

Crazy woman lands a right hook.

From Mop:

Shrew openly beats honest man on the street for minutes, just because she was knocked over

At the Sinopec gas station on Yuefeng road in Jin’An district of Fuzhou, a man on an electric scooter accidentally hit a middle aged woman carrying a box of takeaway, the woman was knocked to the ground, the takeaway spilling everywhere. Angered at this, the woman in question threw insults and blows his way. The man accepted both without a fighting back with words or blows.

The man, silent throughout, made passers by think that they were a quarreling couple, and that he, the husband had recognised that he was in the wrong, and was accepting his punishment. After realising the truth, they started to intervene, saying “He’s already acknowledged that he was at fault”, “you aren’t injured either, you can’t keep hitting him”…

But the woman would not listen to reason and, getting angrier, raised her umbrella and brought it down upon the honest man’s head, then picked up the scattered plastic boxes, raised them to the his face, and screeched, “Eat it! Eat it! EAT IT!!!!” but the poor man kept his mouth shut under this barrage, and never once returned fire.

Then a surprising thing happened: from the crowd, angered by what was happening, a single leg flew out, kicking the woman’s left thigh. At the same time,  another leg shot out from behind her, landing on her calf. The crowd helped the honest man pick up his scooter, and made a “human wall” between the woman and man. The honest man left the scene on his vehicle as fast as he could, leaving behind the embarrassed woman, and the rowdy street then returned to normalcy.

Don't let me catch you making trouble again.

Comments from Mop:


Good kick!


Did this really happen? Chinese society [Original Chinese is 私会, a pun meaning "selfish society"] still has people who will intervene when they see injustices??


…What an honest guy…


That kick was well deserved.


She wasn’t afraid of getting hit back…?


I feel like hitting her too~


Smacking people is good for health.

Boy and girl with surprises for each other at sunset.


There’s something wrong with that woman.


Good men don’t quarrel with women.

Eat it. chinaSMACK personals.

Volunteers Rescue Dogs From “Concentration Camp” In Xi’an – digg china

A "concentration camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

From QQ:

True record of a pet concentration camp #40

The dogs who lost their eyesight can only tell what’s happening by listening, so they are very sensitive to the sounds…interestingly, they can even judge your location by listening to you…they want to ask God, can they exchange their precise hearings for a pair of eyes?

October 22nd is a special day, because we have said goodbye to this sad place~

A "concentration camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

A "concentration camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

Qing Mei’s [name of this place] filthy environment. In this kind of filthy environment, when the dogs do not have water to drink, the thirsty dogs will drink such dirty, smelly water.

A "concentration camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

The dogs in the shelter/dog pound are in this kind of environment.

A "concentration camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

They are full of fear, having lost the love and care they once had~

A "concentration camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

A "prison camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

A "prison camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

Due to the humidity, the dogs all more or less have skin diseases~

For a bite of a steamed bun, they even unintentionally bit off the eye of one of their own [while fighting for the food].

A "prison camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

Hiding in a corner, gnawing at a bone brought by the volunteers.

A "prison camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

A "prison camp" for dogs in Xi'an, China.

We’re going to take these dogs away, taking them all to an animal shelter in Zhouzi county, so they can be far away from this kind of bad environment~

Chinese dogs living in horrible conditions.

These two dogs hid in the buildings in the very back~

Volunteers communicated with the dog by the wall in the back for a long time before being able to carry it out~

Underneath the bed board was the second to last dog to be brought out with a net/bag~ Everyone can imagine how the dog reacted when it was netted/bagged~

Chinese dogs living in terrible conditions.

The one of the far left was the first to be carried out. I believe that other than being able to speak, dogs understand everything. as long as you communicate with it~ as long as you give them time, because this one on the far right was convinced by volunteers to be carried out in their arms~

Chinese dogs living in awful conditions.

This is what we least want to see, dogs that have already left us [passed away]~

We believe that they are living happily in heaven, where they won’t starve or suffer the cold, much less inhuman treatment~

In this environment, the dogs will very quickly become infected with parvovirus and canine distemper. Everyday, there will be a few dogs that pass away~

Dead dogs in a pile.

A pile of dead dogs in China.

These dogs’ carcasses were disposed of outside the perimeter walls. What everyone needs to know is that there are actually people who will collect these dead dogs and sell them to hot pot restaurants and dog meat sellers/restaurants for 1 RMB each. Everyone, please don’t eat dog meat~ because there simply is no health/safety inspection department for dog meat, and it simply isn’t within the scope of being food!

Rotting and decomposing dog carcasses.

When the weather is really hot, the dog’s bodies will be covered with maggots by the second day~

A dead dog covered with flies.

When it rains, the dogs will hide in the tent set up by volunteers~

Stray dogs living in a "concentration camp".

These less than two month old puppies can also be captured and brought here~

Puppies brought to an abandoned dog location.

A volunteer holds up a puppy dog.

Every time when we are here, most of the dogs will surround us, because they know we love and care about them, their trust in humans still remaining…

Chinese volunteers rescuing stray or abandoned dogs.

Poor thing, a look of confusion…

A volunteer holds up a small dog.

Dogs filled with fear, their heart-wrenching expressions~

Abandoned dogs living in horrific conditions.

We carried the dogs onto the van~

Chinese animal rescuers load mistreated dogs into a van.

Before entering the van, volunteers will first give them shots for their skin disease~

Chinese volunteers rescuing stray or abandoned dogs.

This yellowish white alien-looking darling made us cry~ We spent half the day coaxing it, wanting to carry it out, but while trying to persuade it to come out, we saw that its leg, the one that everyone can see here, its right leg, part of the bone is exposed and sticking out.

We can’t imagine what it must have suffered and we shed tears as we communicated with it but it was no use. In the end, we had to use the net/bag to capture it and bring it out. At this time, it had already begun wagging its tail as it looked at us. It knew we were saving it~

An injured dog in poor health.

The sun came out, the dogs were all in the van, ready to head to their new home~ No matter what breed they are, they are cute all the same~

I hope more and more people can come adopt them, so they can forever enjoy the sunshine [be happy]~

Chinese volunteers rescuing stray or abandoned dogs.

Let them forever leave this heart-breaking place~

Friends who want a dog can come to Zhouzi [county]. Don’t buy black-market dogs, because there are even more homeless dogs here. Please give them a warm home. Dogs that have been homeless are very well-behaved/understanding/good, they are filled with gratefulness~

There’s a new problem now, the shelter/dog pound has moved, and we don’t know what kind of treatment will meet the dogs that are captured in the future, whether or not they will be euthanized~

Everyone please take good care of your own dogs, promptly pick up after your dogs in public, putting them on a leash when going out, please raise your dogs in a socially responsible manner, registering your dog [license]~ Only this way will there be more and more dog-lovers~

Comments from QQ:


I hope there can be even more people who will protect stray dogs, and respect life.


So touching! I truly feel there are too many dogs that need our help!
What can be done for these poor [dogs] to live a bit better?


These [dogs] are all lives…how loyal and protective of their master’s dogs everyone knows…everyone is equal, so why don’t we go protect them. We should learn from foreigners, who certainly do a very good job on this point of caring and protecting small animals…


Shocking, I hope this can touch the softest part of everyone’s heart. All animals are equal, and every life has the right to life. Man’s greed, selfishness, and apathy has already and is currently sending one by one the lives of weaker animals to heaven. Harmonious society does not mean harmony only between man and man, this is too narrow. I say it should also be in harmony with other animals, because they are also hosts of this planet. Take action then, cruel humanity, sad humans.


Dogs are one of the few true friends of mankind. They give us companionship, protect our safety and property. If we have the least bit appreciation [for them], then we shouldn’t let our friends live so miserably.

Treasure life.


I just hope that those who want to raise pets can be more careful/prudent. If you can’t guarantee that you will always take care of it, then don’t ruin a dog’s life over your own impulse. If you cannot guarantee its well-being, cannot guarantee that its offspring’s well-being, then please don’t let it uncontrollably breed! Dogs are lives too, they have feelings, being so loyal, I really don’t understand how humans can bear to be so cruel! No matter what, do what you can, every bit of help is something!


Just do what you can do. There is a story about a little kid on the beach after the tide had ebbed out picking up each fish one by one to throw them back into the sea. Someone told the child: you can’t save all of them. But the kid replied: Each one I save is one less fish that dies! What an adorable kid. Let us do what little we can, let our sense of responsibility/conscientiousness grow, to be responsible for the pets we raise, responsible to the end…


Dogs are always loyal to their masters, because they understand gratefulness. In contrast, those people who heartlessly and cruelly abandon these angels have shown us their lack of morality and responsibility. However, many times we are unable to stop this irresponsible, even cruel conduct. So volunteers, people full of love, in the midst of dedicating themselves to rescuing and helping dogs time and time again, they are the most adorable [admirable] people, the most respectable people. What dogs want [from humans] is not much, all they ask for is a little place to call home. I hope everyone who raises dogs can live up to the responsibility they owe their dogs. treasuring them. I also hope that more and more people can join in helping rescue stray animals.


I hope more and more people will pay attention to these poor small animals. I hope the “animal protection law” can be passed sooner. I hope everyone can waken even more of humanity’s conscience…


At this point, all the dogs from Qing Mei have finally all left that living hell!

Thank you to everyone who has gone to adopt a dog!

At this very moment, I am very touched. I believe those people who have previously participated in the rescue will never forget Qing Mei #40! They won’t forget the hellish life that the poor dogs lived through, won’t forget the road we have walked together with people we know and people we don’t know, won’t forget the place where we once shed innumerable tears!

The road of rescuing [animals] is so difficult, but we will not halt our steps. Here, I want to encourage the dogs as well as ourselves!

Goodbye, QingMei!

╲╲"Ao Ao:

I wish the dog protection law will quickly be passed.
I wish there will no longer be any place that sells dog meat.
I wish there will no longer be any killing, disease, and death.
I wish I will no longer need to spend everyday in fear.
I wish I can open my eyes and see my beloved master petting my head.
I wish everyday I can get enough to eat, and no longer have to face the elements.
I wish someday that all of these wishes can become true.

Adopt a pet. chinaSMACK personals.

Filthy India Photos, Chinese Netizen Reactions – digg china

Hindu devotees perform rituals on the occasion of Mahalaya, or an auspicious day to pay homage to their ancestors, along the waste floating on the banks of River Ganges in Calcutta, India, Sunday, Sept. 28, 2008. (AP Photo/Bikas Das)

Note from Fauna: The following post and collection of photographs spread on the Chinese internet in 2008.

On Tianya, Mop, LiuLiu (and many other Chinese forums):

Reflections in the midst of extreme poverty and filth — a record of a trip in India

India is the dirtiest country I have ever been to. I have heard people say that Pakistan, which is to the west and Bangladesh, to the east, are worse, but that is probably beyond the limits of my imagination.

In two months in India, I went from south to north, visiting some tourist towns that I had read about. I also went by train and bus to countless towns and open fields that weren’t so famous, and everywhere there were people had something in common — dirty, messy and stank. Interestingly, I also saw countless foreigners having a great time.

Feces all over the ground in India.

A holy ground covered with feces! Note: No toilet paper!

Tourists have been coming for years to the small town of Bodhgaya , the place where 2500 years ago Buddha achieved enlightenment, bringing their foreign money to the pockets of a few hotels and tourism operators, but still they live in abject poverty. The streets are lined with rubbish, wild animals squabble to find their breakfast in it. Look carefully and find wild pigs, dogs, mountain goats, and sometimes even cows, which are considered sacred, make an appearance. No wonder the locals don’t each much meat, these animals depend on trash to survive.

Cow dung is the most environmentally friendly fuel source

India is very dry, and vegetation scarce. Sometimes you’ll sweep your eyes over the horizon and only see a barren expanse. Rural villagers use firewood, but like using cow dung more. In cities and towns, sacred cows fill the streets, defecating wherever they please. Cow dung is the most eco-friendly kindling of all, and this means less trees need to be cut down. Moreover if the manure that is produced is not removed daily, a small town would probably quickly drown in it.

You often see see women collecting fresh manure, packing it together with hay using both hands, then carefully sticking it against a wall to dry. The manure largely contains grass that the sacred cows are unable to digest. For Indians, this kind of smell is natural, and tourists who have stayed awhile get used to it. In my two months in India, I learned to accept the piles of cow dung that fill the streets, and their all pervading odor. Compared with the smell of the dung of carnivores, the smell isn’t as strong. Indians have an undying reverence for their sacred cows, which makes me automatically think of people in the modern age and their frivolous materialism.

Puri is a tourist hot spot on the east coast, where heaven and hell come together. One side of town is the hotel area, with its picturesque beaches, the other side is a poor fishing village. The inhabitants’ straw huts are lonely islands in a sea of trash, and I got the feeling that it’s never taken away. The most shocking thing: every villager would defecate on the beach. It wasn’t only villagers who would take a crap on the beach, out in the suburbs you’d get used to seeing people doing it on the side of the road, and the Indian men would do it out in the open, never sneaking off to a secluded spot in the undergrowth. Everywhere from small towns to large cities would have men showing the special characteristics of their culture; even in the major city of Kolkata [Culcutta], on the most upmarket of streets, were white collar workers carrying briefcases walking past crowds of people urinating against walls.

One can’t criticise people for reliving themselves on the beach or in a field, after all this is what our ancestors had to do, all the Indians are doing is preserving a natural way of life that has continued for tens of thousands of years. This is one of the most natural parts of the way people there live, and it’s only we foreigners who make a fuss about it. It’s just that urinating on the street in a big city after all isn’t very decent, but I am sure that with the increasing pace of modernization, India’s cities will very quickly take on a new look. China’s toilet usage/habits have come a long way in the past ten years, so is there any reason that India, another ancient Eastern civilisation, can’t do the same?

I am filthy, but I am brilliant. In the ancient city of Varanasi [Benares], on the banks of the Ganges, all the sewage created by people relieving themselves on the ground in corners, and the rubbish, everything flows into that sacred river, the same water where pilgrims come from all over, brushing their teeth, washing their faces, bodies, and swimming. However, the dirty Ganges and Varanasi are India’s most beautiful place, lots of foreigners love it, staying for months at a time. I lived there for a while, living like a local, swimming in the river like one of them. The ancient town’s intense artistic spirit and religious fervour made me forget material poverty. This important part of the Indian psyche is passed down even today: the spirit is greater than physical riches.

India is indeed “dirty”, “messy” and “smelly” but I have gotten more out of it than any other place I have been. If this wasn’t the case in my two months I wouldn’t have met so many expats who return often, or never leave. As the Taiwanese dancer Lin Huaimin said, whenever he is stuck for artistic inspiration, he goes back to India.

Maybe only in the most disgusting of material surroundings, and the basest living conditions can we find the most profound spiritual enlightenment.

[Warning: This post contains graphic images.]

[Note from Fauna: Not every copy of the post includes the same captions or all of the same pictures. We have translated from the Liu Liu version of the post, which appeared later than the Tianya and Mop copies. ]

Puri, where heaven and hell come together.

Puri, India.

Puri, India.

Animals in Puri, India.

Animals rummaging through trash and litter in Puri, India.

Indians on the side of a road in Puri, India.

Puri, India.

Garbage in Puri, India.

The banks of the Ganges River, and women laying out cow dung to dry.

Indian woman drying cow droppings on the bank of the Ganges River.

The famous ancient city of Varanasi. The Ganges is for both morning baths and cremations.

Varansi, India.

At the river side lighting the fire for cremation.

Smoke rising from a cremation.

Smoke rising from the side of the Ganges River in India.

A fire on the bank of the Ganges River.

Floating corpses, a common sight on the Ganges!

A floating corpse in the Ganges River.

Here come the remains of a sacred cow!

The corpse of a cow in the Ganges River.

A dead animal carcass in the water in India.

The famous morning bathing by the Ganges, washing as if the rotting corpse floating by was nothing!

Bathing by the Ganges, while a corpse floats by.

Bathing in the corpse-filled Ganges!

Bathing in the Ganges River, India.

Indian women bathing by the Ganges River.

Indians bathing by the Ganges River.

A floating corpse beside some boats in the Ganges River.

A skull in the Ganges River.

A rotting corpse by the Ganges River in India.

A corpse in the midst of the morning bathing at the Ganges, what do you think?

A bloated corpse floating in the Ganges.

Stray dogs picking at rotting corpses in India.

Stray dogs picking at rotting corpses in India.

A dead body floats in the river in India.

A bloated human corpse in the water.

A dead cow lies in the sand in India.

Bodies in the River Ganges.

Corpses…as if they were nothing…sigh!

A dead body floats in the river as Indians in a boat pass by.

An Indian child backflips into the river water.

The shore, covered with litter and garbage.

A rotting body on the banks of the Ganges River.

A decaying corpse in the Ganges River.

A body floating by a wharf. Gasp!

A body floating in the Ganges River.

A floating rotten corpse.

A rotting body floating in the river in India.

The floating corpse of a sacred cow!

A floating corpse of a cow in India.

An Indian man picks at the rotting remains of a person by the river.

The body of a cow or a sheep?

The floating body of a cow or sheep?

Ganges River scenery.

Goats eating garbage on the river Ganges.

Everywhere the floating corpses of sacred cows!

A dead cow's body submerged in the river water.

Natural clothes washing area + sun drying clothes area + cow and sheep bathing pool + excrement flowing and mixing together.

Indians doing their laundry.

Ganges River morning bathing, how can this water be used for brushing teeth?

Indian women bathing and praying in the Ganges River.

Bodies abandoned at the Ganges River.

Bodies receovered from the Ganges River.

A dead elderly man by the Ganges River.

The body of an elderly man beside the river Ganges.

A body being dragged by a boat.

India, a ship drags a dead human body in the river.

Note the lower right corner. What is it? Revealed in the next photo.

A body floats by the shore of the Ganges River.

Here comes the close-up!!!! Note the flies!!!!

A rotting corpse in the Indian river Ganges, covered with flies.

Washing after discarding a corpse.

An Indian washing his hands in a river filled with garbage.

An old man also comes to bathe.

An elderly Indian bathing by the side of the Ganges River.

Girls also come to bathe.

Young Indian women bathing by the Ganges River.

Those on the shore bathe, while in the water floats a stinking bloated corpse.

A man covered with soap prepares to bathe in the Ganges River.

Indians bathing by the side of the Ganges River.

A row boat rows by a bloated corpse floats in India.

A skeleton on the shore of the Ganges River.

A skeleton on the banks of the Ganges River.

A corpse floating in the Ganges River.

A rotting corpse in the Ganges River.

A rotting corpse in the Ganges River.

A rotting corpse in the Ganges River.

A rotting corpse in the Ganges River.

Let’s put the corpses-in-the-Ganges-River aside for a moment, and talk about Indians using the toilet. Have a look at the three pictures below…

These three toilet photographs represent three levels of toilets in India. Note what is common to all of them, which is that none of them have any toilet paper, but all of them have a bucket of water at arms length… yes, you’ve guessed correctly, Indians don’t use toilet paper when using the toilet, they use their hands. After defecating, you use your left hand finger to wipe the feces around your anus, and then use the water in the bucket to wash your hand. The custom is to use your left hand to wipe your butt, so when you go into a store to select food, you mustn’t use your left hand.

JY people believe, this is actually is a good habit. The first benefit is that cases of hemorrhoids are significantly lower; the second is that it can greatly save paper, good for protecting the earth’s resources and the development of green initiatives. So just by doing this, it saves a great amount of wood.

A squatting toilet in India.

A squatting toilet in India.

A squatting toilet in India.

I’m not sure if I should bring out this photo…a sick elderly person, lonely standing by the Ganges River. I don’t know if he is appreciating the true meaning of life or bemoaning the helplessness of human existence…that helpless expression…that remarkable face carved by the years…is unforgettable…

Don’t look if you won’t like it…you are responsible for yourself…

Diseased man with boils covering his body.

Sunset, rotting corpse, rowing and enjoying the beautiful scenery.

Sunset over the Ganges River, a corpse floats in the water.

Sunset, rotting corpse, a butt facing the sky.

Sunset over the Ganges River, a corpse's butt floats in the water.

A rotting corpse in the Ganges at dusk.

Dusk on the Ganges River, a corpse floats in the water.

A rotting corpse that looks like a frog.

A corpse in the River Ganges.

A person more frightening than the rotting corpses and old leper! Seems to be someone who carries dead bodies professionally.

A deformed man, probably with a skin tumor or disease.

The Ganges River filled with rotting floating corpses, and people rowing boats as if nothing were the matter.

Ganges River.

Not only do [they] wash and bathe in the Ganges River where rotting corpses float about, [they] also drink from it. My god, I can’t take it anymore!

Old man squats beside the Ganges River.

Man drinks from the Ganges River.

Rotting corpse on the shore.

The remains of a person on the beach.

Wild dogs freely tearing their food off a rotting corpse.

Stray or wild dogs eating a rotting human corpse.

Wild dogs tearing their food off the rotting corpse of a sacred cow.

Stray or wild dogs eating a rotting cow corpse.

A crow standing on a floating rotting corpse.

A crow perched atop a floating body in the Ganges River.

Corpses on the Ganges River, giving off an offensive rotting stench.

Another floating corpse in the river Ganges.

The skeletal remains of a person in the waters of the river Ganges.

Dog. Crows. Fighting for a child’s head as food. Dog victorious.

Dogs and crows fight over a human head.

Dog gnawing on human head.

Dog gnawing at a dead human head.

A roting corpse in the river Ganges.

Steps on the river shore with floating corpses. Can you tell how many rotting corpses are in the water?

Corpses and garbage in the Ganges River.

An old fish catcher on the shore of the Ganges River.

An Indian fishcatcher.

A floating corpse in Indian.

The tour guide said that this kind of fish in the Ganges is called “Gulang” fish, a very nice sounding name…and it is said the flavor is very good, but upon thinking of the corpses soaking in the water, the soap from the bathing, the garbage by the river…I don’t have the courage to try it, not sure if this kind of fish will have a human flesh flavor…

Fish curry.

This needs no introduction as many compatriots are able to eat it domestically [in China]…but a reminder, never eat an authentic one…because the chef uses his left hand to wipe his shit when using the toilet/restroom.

An Indian chef making bread.

Here, let’s let the JY people see India’s free medical care.

A public hospital in India.

A public hospital’s surgery room.

An Indian surgery room.

An Indian public hospital.

Ganges River in the early morning, bustling because of the crowds…some to wipe themselves down, some to get water, some to bathe.

Hindu devotees perform rituals on the occasion of Mahalaya, or an auspicious day to pay homage to their ancestors, along the waste floating on the banks of River Ganges in Calcutta, India, Sunday, Sept. 28, 2008. (AP Photo/Bikas Das)

Suddenly encountering some familiar faces, [I] was surprised…deeply admiring the guy who entered the water to his waist…BH [biao han, daring] to the extreme…but hope he is not our compatriot.

East Asian tourists at the river Ganges.

Flagrantly floating downstream not 500 meters at another set of steps [into the river] was a corpse. Even foreigners had taken out their cameras to snap photos. I wonder how that swimming guy just mentioned above felt…

A dead body floats by the steps on the Ganges River.

Two photographs after going ashore…

An elderly person doing morning exercises, technical difficulty rating 3.0, far higher than the Tai-chi exercises of old men and women in [China's] parks.

A Sadhu or holy man performs yoga on the banks of river Ganges in the northern Indian city of Allahabad June 25, 2008. Sadhus are dedicated to achieving Nirvana (liberation) through meditation and prayers by giving up three Hindu goals of life: Kama (enjoyment), Artha (practical objectives) and Dharma (duty).    REUTERS/Jitendra Prakash (INDIA)

Accepting a holy water baptism…valiantly emerging from the water…[his] motions too fucking carefree…

A Sadhu, or Hindu holy man, emerges from a holy dip in the Ganges River in Allahabad, India, Thursday, July 10, 2008. Allahabad, on the confluence of the Ganges, Yamuna and the mythical Saraswathi rivers, is one of Hinduism's important centers. (AP Photo/Rajesh Kumar Singh)

Not enough money to buy [enough] firewood, those two feed will not be able to burn away, so it looks like they can only be discarded into the Ganges River…the people baptizing [in the Ganges], will they be so daring as to find a foot…?

A pyre burns at a cremation ground on the banks of river Ganges in the northern Indian city of Varanasi December 15, 2007. Hindus believe that dying in Varanasi and having their remains scattered in the Ganges allows their soul to escape a cycle of death and rebirth, attaining "moksha" or salvation.  REUTERS/Arko Datta (INDIA)

Now let’s return to this post’s main topic…the rotting corpses in the Ganges River.

A rotten corpse in the Ganges River.

A frame grab taken September 30, 2007 and released October 1, 2007, shows the body of a dead Buddhist monk floating in Pazondaung River in Yangon. It is not known when the monk was killed. REUTERS/Democratic Voice of Burma (MYANMAR)

What are the dogs eating? Notice what is in the water on the left side of the image!

Wild dogs tearing at animal and human remains.

Swimming and bathing even with so many rotting corpses around.

An Indian swims in the river Ganges amongst the garbage and rotting corpses.

There are a small number of middle-aged men and women squatting on the steps brushing their teeth, none of them using toothbrushes, half of them using their fingers, the other half using twigs, swallowing the water after brushing, and then cupping and drinking down a few more gulps, which happens to be in the opposite direction of people in other countries brushing their teeth and then spitting the water out.

An Indian woman brushes her teeth with water from the Ganges River.

Comments from Tianya:

白_马_非_马 (on Tianya) & 君子坦蛋蛋 (on LiuLiu):

I just want to say, there are a lot of places in China that are just the same. Don’t use the same air of superiority that Hong Kong and Taiwan people have when they look at mainlanders to look at India. I don’t like it.

英语绵绵 (on Tianya) & 七夜 (on LiuLiu):

All this is easy to fix, just use violence. China uses the hukou system to keep the poor population from settling in cities, and then uses chengguan to beat the rabble to death. The cities will then look very nice.

bjwh50: (responding to above comment)

Actually, this is exactly how America does it, using violence to beat the Indians [Native Americans] to death, pushing the Asian, African, and poor out into the country, running the poor white people into the surrounding outskirts of the cities. America’s police are even more terrible than China’s chengguan. If you’re within two meters of a police officer, you have to raise your hands, otherwise American police have the right to shoot you dead.

怎样走路 (on Tianya) & 绿毛怪 (on LiuLiu):

Taking a bath in this kind of river water…

And they say you will receive spiritual enlightenment…

Lou zhu might as well go try a septic tank, and see if you achieve even greater enlightenment, even greater consolation/comfort.

This kind of filthy country doesn’t think it is a shame but instead thinks it is glorious. Truly speechless.


That’s their place, they can do what they like, why discriminate?


How is India a democratic country? Would a democratic country divide society into four levels [castes]?


There’s truly something wrong with Indian people.


The Indians’ widespread use of cow dung, JY can say that this is their ancient wisdom, an understanding of eco-friendliness.

In the late 1970 when the West’s interest in China was kicking off, a French television channel did a show about China, and mentioned that the bicycle was the major mode of transport for two thirds of Beijingers. The host said these ancient people really understood how to live in harmony with nature, which is why they chose such a environmentally friendly way of getting around, and that it made them Europeans feel ashamed.


Wasn’t it said that they are thrown into the Ganges River after being cremated?

What do you do if you were swimming in the Ganges and accidentally ran into a corpse?


Kosuke Kindaichi said in a murder case, the hardest thing for a murderer to do is getting rid of the body.

Kosuke Kindaichi has obviously never been to India, because in India, getting rid of a body is too simple. Just buy some firewood and burn the body in broad daylight will do it. Murderers that are truly lazy murderers can just throw the corpse in a river and be done with it.

Comments from Mop:


When Indians themselves see how dirty India is, how bodies float in the river, they don’t feel bad about it???


Although different people have their own customs, after seeing the photos above, I feel that these things that Indian people do can’t be called customs. It is simply uncivilized, inhumane! I really think that have not evolved fully! Savages!


Although India is poor
The people have a lot of money
In this year’s list of richest people
There are a lot of Indians.


This civilisation is too distinctive.


I still think a sky burial would be easier to accept!~~~~~~~~~~~~~


These aren’t pictures of Afghanistan or Iraq, right? TV can trick people.

Hell on earth.


You’ve successfully made me nauseous, this post has completely changed how I look at India~~~

Comments from LiuLiu:


India is a democratic country with down to earth people.

The many dead animals above would have long ago been taken away by unscrupulous peddlers to be sold as food in China.


My God! Bodies can be seen so easily in the river! The Lou zhu was even able to take photos! It’s hard to imagine how calmly the Indians face death!


Bodies floating in Chinese rivers aren’t unheard of (drowning victims, people who have fallen in, those who kill themselves, can be found anywhere). In recent years, changes have been widespread and only after they have finished will this situation change.

As for going swimming amongst dead bodies, people from different perspectives have different thinking, just like how the Chinese can’t understand how the Africans eat mice, and the Africans can’t see how the Chinese eat frogs.


India is so dry, you really think people want to live like that?

[You don't think] they don’t want to live well? Don’t want to be like us and drink water from a faucet? To bathe in and drink clean water?

We can’t look at them in that way, they live like that because they have no other choice.


Have you been to India before?

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